Medicare Supplement vs. Medicare Advantage
January 23, 2008 3:16 am Medicare Supplements, New To MedicareThere are many things to consider when deciding whether to go with a traditional Medicare Supplement (Medigap) Plan or a Medicare Advantage plan. I was not sure I wanted to try and create this comparison document, but I believe the infomation below will help you get an overview of these two Healthcare Options. Again, I want to stress that deciding between these two options is a very important decision. You should meet with an experience Medicare Supplement Agent to discuss your specific circumstances. So, on to the comparison…
Medicare Supplement Insurance
Overview:
Most people who have Medicare, have Medicare Supplement Insurance to cover the “Gaps” in what Medicare pays. This is why these plans are also refered to as ”Medigap” plans. These plans are offered through dozens of Insurance Companies around the country. Medicare Supplement Insurance pays “AFTER” Medicare pays.
Medigap Pros:
- If a doctor, hospital or medical facility accepts Medicare, then they accept all Medicare Supplement Plans. (i.e. there are no networks, Medicare Supplements are not HMO’s or PPOs) You do not ever need a referal to see a doctor or specialist. The doctors generally don’t deal with the Medicare Supplement Company anyway. They submit their claims to Medicare, Medicare pays their part, then Medicare sends the balance to the Medicare Supplement Company to “Pay the Rest.”
- Medicare Supplement Insurance pays “after” Medicare pays.
- There are generally no co-pays when services are rendered.
- Medigap plans are standardized (A-K) so you can compare prices from one company to another and always know you are comparing the same exact coverage. (Plan F with one company is “IDENTICAL” to Plan F with every other company)
- Generally there are no additional out of pocket costs throughout the year other than the premiums.
- Medigap Policies are “Guaranteed Renewable”. You can never loose the coverage as long as you continue to make the premium payments.
- If you move to another city or state, your Medigap policy moves with you.
Medigap Cons:
- The average monthly Medigap policy premium is around $150.00. Some Medicare Supplement companies offer BIG discounts for things such as No tobacco use, married, spousal discounts, female discounts and others. If you work through an independent broker, he/she will likely be able to help you locate a Medicare Supplement that does offer these types of discounts.
- You pay the monthly premium even if you never visit a doctor or hospital during the year.
- Since 2006, no Medigap policy includes Prescription coverage. You need to get a separate Medicare Part-D plan to cover your prescriptions.
Representative List of Medigap Providers
- AARP
- Bankers Life
- Blue Cross Blue Shield
- Continental General Insurance
- Lincoln Heritage
- Mutual of Omaha
- Royal Neighbors
- Sterling Investors Life Insurance
- United American
- United World Life (a Mutual of Omaha company)
Medicare Advantage Plans
Overview
Also called Medicare Health Plans, MA or MAPD plans. They are relatively new (within last 2 years). Most of them are provided by companies that also provide individual and group major medical plans. Some Medicare Supplement Companies also have a Medicare Advantage Plans. Medicare Advantage Plans pay “INSTEAD” of Medicare. There are several types of Medicare Advantage Plans. The most common are HMO, PPO or PFFS. Check out this Medicare Glossary for differences.
Medicare Advantage Pros:
- Low monthly premiums (Average is about $50/month) some as low as $0.00
- They can be offered with No Monthy Premium to you, because Medicare takes your $96.40 monthly Medicare Part B premium and gives it to the Medicare Advantage Provider. Medicare also pays Medicare Advantage companies additional funds to help cover your medicare expenses (the money that was deducted from your pay check throughout your working career).
- If you don’t go to the doctor much, then a Medicare Advantage plan could save you more money over the course of a year than a Medicare Supplement, since the monthly premiums are generally much lower.
- Some Medicare Advantage plans include prescription coverage. These are called MAPD plans.
- Some include additional benefits such as coverage for dental (routine cleanings) and vision (routine checkup) healthclub memberships.
Medicare Advantage Cons:
- They are NOT standardized. There are hundreds of different varieties of MA plans. Consumers really need to read the fine print to make sure they know what they are getting.
- MA plans are NOT guaranteed renewable. The company can discontinue the plan at the end of any year. You would then need to get another plan for the following year.
- Doctors can choose to NOT accept any or all of the MA plans. Even if they accept Medicare, they do not have to accept MA plans. In fact they may accept your plan today and not accept it next month.
- Your primary care physician may accept the plan but a specialist that you are referred to may not.
- Most MA plans have co-pays for almost every visit to a doctor or hospital. For example many will have something like: $10 for doctor visit. $25 for specialist, $250/day for first 5 days of hospital stay.
- There is generally more paperwork for the consumer. Many co-pays are a percentage of the Medicare approved amount, which is not known until after the bill has been submitted to the Medicare Advantage provider, so you will be billed for your co-pay at a later date, sometime several months later.
- If you move to another county or state, the plan you have may not be available in that area and you will need to get another plan.
- If you have a particularly unhealthy year, your out of pocket costs could reach your “Out of Pocket Maximum” which could be $4,000-$5,000 ore more.
Representative list of Medicare Advantage Plans
- Advantra Freedom (Coventry)
- Blue Cross Blue Shield
- Humana
- Today’s Option (Pyramid)
- Wellcare
Special Needs Plans
Overview
Special Needs plans are a type of MA plan. They work very much like other Medicare Advantage Plans but are only available to people with the qualifying conditions such as Diabetes, COPD, or Chronic Heart Failure.
Representative list of Special Needs Plans
- Care Improvement Plus
- Evercare
Crystal Ropp :
Date: March 21, 2008 @ 6:53 am
This is the best site ever!!! I have been trying to help my parents who are now retired with whether or not to add Medigap or Medicare Advantage Ins to their already Medicare A & B. I have searched everywhere online and read so much but still have not been able to decide. They are both sickly - Diabetes, COPD & Auto Hep. So far this site has explained things better than any other site I’ve visited. It was such a Big Help!! Thank You!!!!!
Beth :
Date: April 4, 2008 @ 1:05 pm
This is great information. I always love reading about medicare information because I can pass it along to my clients. Thank you.
JBK :
Date: September 4, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
I have been looking for this: facts comparing the two options in plain, unbiased for weeks. This confirms what i had been suspected… the advantage plans may be advantageous to someone, but not necessarily to me the patient!
Thank you for this clear and concise info!
Robert S. :
Date: November 14, 2008 @ 12:46 pm
Yes, this is pretty clear and helpful. But, Advantage plans are not necessarily like HMO, i.e. “managed”. In Michigan companies (Blue Cross, Humana, HAP) have PPOs and a PFFS (private fee for service) Advantage plans. As I understand it the doctor/hospital are indifferent as they receive Medicare amounts from both Advantage and Medigap. So aside from the other “cons” I am still not clear what the concerns are. If one chooses an Advantage plan, however, one cannot go into a Medigap plan later without providing pre-existing medical information. So, if you are healthy now Advantage can cost less. But if your condition changes dramatically you would be exposed to the out of pocket maximums. But how much more would this be than maximums under Medigap. That is what you have to calculate. Bottom line - I have not decided. Safe or conservative route seems to be Medigap.
Jim H :
Date: December 12, 2008 @ 3:42 pm
To Robert S:
Medigaps don’t have maximums. One should look at best case vs worst case on all plans. What will it cost if I never use it? What will it cost if I am extremely ill? Look for an out-of-pocket maximum (a safety net, not a deductible) on a Medicare Advantage plan if available in your area.
Farrell Hope :
Date: February 21, 2009 @ 2:18 pm
I have researched this ad nauseum, and the Advantage plans at $0 premium seem to be far better than the medigap plus drug plans,at $200 premium, whether you have a bad year or not. The out-of pocket limit is about equal to the medigap plus drug plans premium.
So in a good year you will pay far less than with medigap, and in a good year can will pay about the same as medigap. And you don’t have to handle paperwork.
The only disadvantage is that if you don’t take medigap in your “window”, you can’t take it later without pre-existing conditions becoming an issue, unless you are cancelled from your advantage plan not by your choice.
But I can’t decide whether to take HMO or PFFS, both are available in my area. I can’t determine to what extent doctors will overbill directly to me on PFFS
Doug Benson :
Date: February 23, 2009 @ 10:26 am
Farrell,
It is great that you are researching this subject, because it can be the single biggest expense over the course of a year.
I’ll address a couple of your points.
1. Cost for Medicare Supplements are based on Insurance company, age, state, zip code and any discounts that may apply.
So, let’s take a simple example of a 68 year old man living in Atlanta, GA. He can get a Plan F for about $150 and an RX plan for about $25. A total of $2,900.
However, a 79 year old man living in the same area will pay about $190 for a plan F. And with one of the more expense RX plans of $38, his cost in premiums for the year would be about $2,736.
*** There is one big exception in Georgia. AARP has community pricing, so everyone pays the same premium regardless of age. Their 2009 premium for a plan F is $166.75
$0 premium HMO or PPO MA plans will have a maximum out of pocket of $3,500 - $5,000.
So in a bad year, you will come out ahead with a Medicare Supplement (Plan F) in either case, since their is no additional cost other than the premium.
That said, most people don’t have bad years every year and over the course of 3-4 years, one would expect to save a lot of money with a Medicare Advantage Plan.
Instead of continuing my response as a response to your comment, I’m going to start a new post. I’ll call it 2009 Medicare Advantage Update.
Roger Wray :
Date: March 24, 2009 @ 12:17 pm
I have been looking for an article with all the info and this is it. From what I know now, there is no way that I would take the MA even though I am in good health and the premiums are less. If I had to move to another state, it could turn out to be a nightmare and to try and pass a pre-existing condition test of 14 questions for an old goat like me would be impossible and the premiums would go out of site with very little coverage. Na, it the Medigap for me. I have type C blood - conservative.
Oxnard Family Circle :
Date: July 21, 2009 @ 12:10 pm
Doug,
You have brought up some very important point with regards to where one lives, ones age, in determining
Medicare Supplement Insurance plan costs to individuals. However - One can never ‘count’ on a good year, as much as we would like to. Something to consider.
barbara ragsdale :
Date: December 3, 2009 @ 3:25 pm
My husband is enrolled in a MA Advantage PFFS that will continue in its current form with increased out of pocket expenses through 2010. The company will offer a PPO plan, but current providers may not accept the plan. Have been advised that the insurance provider would not accept him in a Medigap plan beginning in 2010 because of COPD diagnosis. Current MA Advantage PFFS will be discontinued in 2011. Will he be in a guaranteed transition period to enroll in a Medigap plan due to the current plan will be discontinued?
dave :
Date: August 29, 2010 @ 9:48 am
Medigap insurance plans are worth the extra money if you can afford it. Most people I talk to as an agent want to be able to see any doctor or specialists they choose without getting a doctors referral.